Category: People

Top level for anything relating to a group of people who had an important role regarding Conversant

  • Paul Dubuc’s Story

    I was hired by Bell Labs in 1979 and worked on SCCS for several years, then a few years on a Shop Floor Control system for AT&T’s factory automation systems.  When that project was moved to Western Electric in about 1989, I had to look around the company for more work.  I had a few options but Conversant stood out to me in that it was, at least at that time and in previous years that I noticed, like a small company within AT&T.  At one time some of the hardware that Conversant Systems ran on was manufactured at the Columbus Works.  Practically everyone involved with the development, marketing and support of the products was based in Columbus.  That changed over time but I was attracted to the idea of working in a small company environment.  I wasn’t disappointed.  Looking back on my career in software engineering, I still consider my roughly 10 years working in that department as the most challenging, interesting, stimulating and productive years of my life (in spite of the frustrations and issues that come in any work environment).

    I think it was not only the interesting work but the great people that made the difference.  As a new person on a very different project, I struggled at first.  Alfredo Gonzalez helped me get on board with my first assignment, writing call data reports.  From there it wasn’t long before I was handed the assignment of supporting TSM and its application script compiler, TAS.  Talk about wading into the deep end!  It was the hub of the Conversant software architecture.  Few people wanted to touch it, it seemed. Tom Geers once warned me that working on TSM had already “broken” a few engineers.  It was a difficult challenge, in the first year or two, getting familiar with that code and being able to make significant changes to it, but I gradually became known as the “TSM Expert”.  It stretched me.  Since it had been worked on by so many different people before me, the code wasn’t terribly consistent or easy to comprehend. Joy Joglekar was a great mentor for me when I was learning TSM. I went to her to review my changes and she helped me correct some of the things that had been done to it that she didn’t like.   It was the first real time, multitasking software application that I had ever worked on.  I had worked on other features in Conversant, like one called Form Filler, but it always came back to TSM.  When it became time to rearchitect the system I was in for an even bigger challenge.

    That opportunity came in 1994 when it was decided that we needed to open up the application architecture of the Conversant base so voice response and voice mail applications could be written in the C Language instead of TSM/TAS based script applications.  A few of us, Cary FitzGerald (our project leader and architect), Jim Murphy, Tom Esh, Rod Warren and myself, were given the task of designing, implementing and documenting a comprehensive C Language API that could do everything our script-based application could do (and more).  Since TSM was a multichannel, multi-application “virtual machine”, the API had to be able to support multichannel applications.  That became known as the Intuity Response API (IRAPI) and, for it to be truly comprehensive, it would need to support a re-write of TSM based entirely on the IRAPI interface.  The “deep end” I had walked into years before now seemed to have no bottom.  Yet, it seemed to me, and maybe the others too, like the opportunity of a lifetime.  We came up with an acronym, YABR!, which stood for Yet Another Boring Release (Not!).  Four of us moved our desks into some unused lab space so we could work closely together for over a year.  It was a risky endeavor.  When we were done TSM/TAS scripts needed to run as before without any modification of the script source code.  TSM would become “just another IRAPI application” albeit one that ran applications itself.  Some system functions like Application Dispatch and Resource Management had to be moved out of TSM to be accessible by other applications.  Cary, Tom and Rod contributed those, among other things.

    My part in the project, of course, was to do the TSM rewrite.  The API had to be able to do everything that TSM did (and more) so Jim Murphy and I worked pretty closely to ensure that would be the case.  The API had to be “event” driven, as TSM was, with non-blocking function calls that would return immediately so the application could service other channels and wait in a single blocking function for resulting events.  This made it inherently multithreaded.  Since TSM was going to be rewritten, it made sense to rewrite the TAS script compiler too.  It was written entirely in C and was difficult to modify and add instructions to the language.  It was rewritten using LEX and YACC, tools made for writing compilers, which made adding new instructions and features to integrate scripts with IRAPI applications much easier.  An object-oriented design for TSM and TAS also made adding new instructions easier with code that could use IRAPI header files in the compilation.  One crisis occurred during development when the hard disk on our server stopped working and it was found out that our one tape backup was full of someone else’s home directory files instead of our own (and there was no second tape).  By late evening, Cary had somehow gotten the disk working again and properly backed up, but not before we had panicked some of our managers.  (We never should have told them.)

    When we were done with all this, the ironic thing was that so few people outside the five of us noticed any difference.  The system worked just as it had done before but also offered a rich C API interface that would later be enhanced and used in new voice mail and voice response applications.  The internals of the API were later compiled with C++ while keeping the ANSI C application interface so that IRAPI could more easily be made thread safe for multithreaded applications like AUDIX.  It was also ported to Windows NT at one point when our management and some of our system architects and developers became convinced that it would replace UNIX.  Some others thought something called Linux could be the answer.  No one took them seriously at the time, but we all know now how that turned out.  One other product, which never got beyond the prototype stage, was a C++ object framework, dubbed IRAPF, which handled all the multitasking aspects of IRAPI allowing multichannel applications to be written more simply. 

    Not too long after this we were in for some turbulent times.  The acquisition of Octel had a profound change on our organization, and the burst of the dot-com bubble left the whole industry in a lurch.  Sad to say that it ended my career at a workplace that I had come to appreciate very much.  I left in March 2001.  That was the epicenter of a very difficult period in my life lasting some 10 years, but it taught me some of the most valuable life lessons.  In leaving, I missed the people that I worked with more than anything.  They were the very best.  I’ve kept this picture sitting on my computer desk at home ever since.  I look forward to seeing some of you again at the reunion.  –Paul Dubuc

    Associate Appreciation Day – Feb. 2, 1994
  • Bracketball Tournament

    by Jeanne Gokcen

    In the spirit of reminiscing about all things Conversant and given that ‘tis the season for the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament, Sedat and I wanted to share our memories of the annual Bracketball Tournament that was organized forever by Mark Fohl (aka “Saint”), in which many of us participated and thoroughly enjoyed.

    We’re not sure what year Mark started organizing his Bracketball Tournament, but Sedat started participating immediately. I was not into basketball nor even familiar with the tournament at the time. After a couple of years, I complained to Sedat about “losing” him to basketball every year for a month. He tried to convince me how fun this event was and encouraged me to join in. Despite my protests that I knew nothing about basketball, much less the teams, I reluctantly filled out a bracket, using the team descriptions and analyses published in USA Today and the Columbus Dispatch.

    Does everyone who participated remember gathering at Damon’s in the Hunter’s Ridge shopping center to watch the games? Talk about fun! Damon’s was one of the first places that really had the concept of a sports bar and had multiple screens showing all of the games simultaneously. And the onion loaf (I miss the onion loaf)! Some people would go there on the first Thursday and Friday of the tournament as early as they could manage and would snag a couple of large tables. Then the rest of us would straggle in as soon as we could. What a riot! The camaraderie that developed as we all collectively experienced those dramatic highs and lows as our teams lived or died was amazing! Woo! What a ride!

    The Damon’s experience alone was enough to make me love the tournament, but what took me over the top was that, against all expectations, I won Mark’s Bracketball Tournament my first year! To say I was hooked after that is an understatement. And then to cement that obsession, I won the next 2 years in a row, as well! Hilariously, I started having people come up to me in the halls and asking me what I thought of different teams and what my picks were gonna be!

    After my 3rd win, Mark approached me and told me a closely-held secret: Whoever runs a Bracketball Tournament NEVER wins – and he was living proof of that! He hinted, maybe even halfway seriously, that perhaps I should take over his tournament.

    My consultant work with Conversant was completed in 1997, and Sedat joined me in my company, FutureCom Technologies, in 1998. When March Madness rolled around in 1999, we were at a loss because we didn’t have a Bracketball group to participate in any more. Something had to be done.

    Well, those of you who know Sedat and his initiative will not be surprised to learn that he created our online Gokcen Bracketball Tournament that year in which people from anywhere can participate, easily entering their teams, keeping up with the results, and being able to banter back and forth throughout the tournament. I contributed by writing blog posts and also, and most critically, presenting a “Bracketball song of the year,” taking a perfectly lovely song and butchering the lyrics to pay homage to Bracketball!

    We are now in our 26th year of presenting the Gokcen Bracketball Tournament, all of which is due to Mark Fohl’s Bracketball legacy. And true to what Mark warned me about the curse, as the organizer of the Gokcen Bracketball Tournament, I have never won the tournament again. Sigh. We’ve enjoyed many years of participation from some Conversant friends, like Wally Wolfe (and his family).


    In early March 2025, Jeanne Gokcen shared this story. Jeanne’s husband Sedat was a key member of the original Conversant speech & signal processing group responsible for a number of key things including the Text to Speech (TTS) capability on Conversant:


    Jeanne the hoops queen!!!  Yes, I remember!  Not once, not twice, but three times!  One or two guys actually stopped playing because of you!  Losers!!! And don’t forget, we were voice enabled one year!Thanks Jeanne!  Hope to see you and Sedat in June!

    Kudos also to Bill Lenzotti who ran it for a couple years ….


    Reply by Mark Fohl